tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post114536357810488464..comments2024-03-19T15:12:54.893+08:00Comments on EDUCATION IN MALAYSIA: University Entry Criteria: Co-Curricular ActivitiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145771282420802442006-04-23T13:48:00.000+08:002006-04-23T13:48:00.000+08:00To junhoe,You are right a couple of years ago it's...To junhoe,<BR/><BR/>You are right a couple of years ago it's already there. It's was TDM who over right it. Very seldom you find students (although there are exception) good at both. <BR/><BR/>As you have mention abusing the co-curricular activities is very easy and hence what is the point of using it as a criteria. The only thing I can think of is to help the matriculation as they are fully residencial. Remember it was TDM who open up the 10% quota.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145694852244073792006-04-22T16:34:00.000+08:002006-04-22T16:34:00.000+08:00I'm currently towards the end of my 2nd year in UK...I'm currently towards the end of my 2nd year in UKM now, and I'd like to know whether anyone remembers that this was actually the Ministry's policy a couple of years ago? At that time I think due to heated public debate and disatisfaction, the policy was changed so that uni admission will be 100% based on academic, with co-curricular activites only as the tie-breaker in certain events. An infamous quote by a disgruntled parent at that time comes to mind,"Why should my son who wants to be a doctor has to kick a ball in the field? Isn't it better he use the time to study?"<BR/><BR/>So therefore, the 'new'policy of uni admission is in fact nothing new, but a reversal of the change a few years ago. Actually I'm all for it, for a student's achivement should not solely be based on academics. Though of course much fine-tuning is needed to prevent the system from abuse (in my school everyone just scribble some stuff on their school testimonial and ask the teachers to sign, and most of them well, just obliged out of pity).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145530742016604392006-04-20T18:59:00.000+08:002006-04-20T18:59:00.000+08:00Dear authors, for your safety I think you should c...Dear authors, for your safety I think you should censor part of the sentence by "please understand". You are being watched....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145529026884479852006-04-20T18:30:00.000+08:002006-04-20T18:30:00.000+08:00Hey Please understand,This is very sensitive, you ...Hey Please understand,<BR/><BR/>This is very sensitive, you may get arrested under ISA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145527570237509102006-04-20T18:06:00.000+08:002006-04-20T18:06:00.000+08:00How can it be a fact when you are speaking based o...How can it be a fact when you are speaking based on what you believe in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145520637398041582006-04-20T16:10:00.000+08:002006-04-20T16:10:00.000+08:00All of you are wrong. Umno prefer Malaysia less Ch...All of you are wrong. <BR/><BR/>Umno prefer Malaysia less Chinese and less Indians.<BR/><BR/>They even plan to kill Chinese and Indians when they lost power.<BR/><BR/>Please understand this fact. <BR/><BR/>So be careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145447836512103502006-04-19T19:57:00.000+08:002006-04-19T19:57:00.000+08:00Perhaps this is just another sandiwara to entertai...Perhaps this is just another sandiwara to entertain the people or just hangat-hangat tahi ayam? <BR/><BR/>Or another mind game initiated by those in power? After all they have declared openly the continuation of NEP. This kind of criteria using CCA as entry requirement can be fake! So it won't surprise me that in the future, more and more non-bumi are going to be denied entry into local Uni. <BR/><BR/>So my advise to students, learn more than what your teachers teach you. Learn them as a resource, not for just exams. Malaysian exams are pretty easy, due to normalization of results. You faham-faham laa~ These are crucial when you decide to study in foreign Uni later =DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145445447847275272006-04-19T19:17:00.000+08:002006-04-19T19:17:00.000+08:00I think that no matter how ingenious the ideas tha...I think that no matter how ingenious the ideas that come out from our brilliant Education Ministry, they ALWAYS remember to open it to abuse and subjectivity.Andrew Lohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11140226523915117336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145406780131560022006-04-19T08:33:00.000+08:002006-04-19T08:33:00.000+08:00Hi Tony,The 100% has me thrown off-track. Maybe yo...Hi Tony,<BR/><BR/>The 100% has me thrown off-track. Maybe you would like to edit that?<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>ThongYT Kuahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12922664246915351758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145404978070282382006-04-19T08:02:00.000+08:002006-04-19T08:02:00.000+08:00Typical Malaysian style1) think of a policy/rule t...Typical Malaysian style<BR/><BR/>1) think of a policy/rule that sounds good initially but may not be sound when scrutinised further<BR/><BR/>2) implement it at the last minute<BR/><BR/>3) change it in a year or two.<BR/><BR/>These extra-currcular activities has been around for so long. Why only now that it counts? For main-main only, izzit?<BR/><BR/>What about those students in previous years that have contributed so much outside classrooms and have less time to study?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I am in favour. If our local unis have only bookworms, then you may have graduates will can study but lack the experience in planning, co-ordinating and executing tasks. (a strange parallel emerge when you apply this description to our local governments and beyond)<BR/><BR/>To verify thousands of applications with different schools? That's not practical, given the efficiency level of the education ministry staff, the potential for abuse, the short time frame available.....<BR/><BR/>Talk is easy but the proof in the pudding is in the eating.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145400791503428472006-04-19T06:53:00.000+08:002006-04-19T06:53:00.000+08:00This is unfair criteria because co-curricular acti...This is unfair criteria because co-curricular activities can be fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145382888100371742006-04-19T01:54:00.000+08:002006-04-19T01:54:00.000+08:00To the first anonymous, selected universities inte...To the first anonymous, selected universities interview candidates for selected courses. I do think that interviews - either like Oxbridge or by alumni like the Ivy League - should become part and parcel of admissions. Of course, I'm probably saying that because I would benefit from that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145382775751792222006-04-19T01:52:00.000+08:002006-04-19T01:52:00.000+08:00Actually, as the batch that become the first 'vict...Actually, as the batch that become the first 'victims', we were duly informed in Lower Six of this new requirement. However good the idea is, in practice, it is rather stupid.<BR/><BR/>Admissions would be based on grades issued by school on extra-curricular activities - a rather stupid idea for several reasons. For one, even if grading is the right way to go, grades do not reflect the actual involvement in societies. A President of So-So Club that has 5 meetings a year may have the same grade as a President of Overachievers Club which have 5 meetings a month.<BR/><BR/>Grading also takes into account - a little to much, I might say - involvement in state, national and international competitions. It would be fine and all if the grading reflected the amount of effort placed into such competitions (e.g. amount of hours spent practising).<BR/><BR/>In addition to that, getting A's and B's under this grading system would be achievable for national athletes and academics, however if your forte is somewhere else - like piano, for example, it's pretty hard to show your involvement and excellence in your CCA grades - participating in competitions both national and international only count if you're representing some entity - school, district, state, and nation.<BR/><BR/>In addition to that, CCA grades do not reflect actual involvement in activities outside school. Few non-school activities count - that is, representing districts, states and the nation in competitions. I personally find CCA activities, with few exceptions, mediocre and dull. Plus, if the interests doesn't match what the school offers, it's harder still (for example, I'm really into rugby, but my school does not have a rugby club).<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, CCA grades only reflect the best three societies in three categories - Sport, Societies and Uniform Units. If you're a member of three societies have have an A in all three, you can only use one in university applications. I did not have a sports society and a uniform society - it did not matter how involved I am in the societies I am in, they only count one.<BR/><BR/>Even worse for students who did not go to National Service, National Service is considered a CCA - though it is not voluntary. I wouldn't mind roughing it out for three months, but I did not have much of a chance. However, why NS and not other activities? I know people who participate in OBS (Out Bound School) - far more rigorous than NS itself - why can't they include that in their university applications?<BR/><BR/>Lastly, the process is a tad unfair for Form Sixers - matriculation students have more options and some of their compulsory activities is considered towards their CCA criteria. It's bad enough they have an unfair advantage in academics vs. Form Sixers, now they're given, under the strict constraints of what constitutes CCA activities, the opportunity to put themselves even further ahead of Form Sixers.<BR/><BR/>Malaysian university admissions should immitate American admissions process - where student can write down all their CCA involvement, and not just the top in three categories and not just in schools. It does not matter for admissions into local universities that you have a string of successful piano recitals but it does to Harvard, Yale, etc. - something is wrong with this picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145381394691384942006-04-19T01:29:00.000+08:002006-04-19T01:29:00.000+08:00I know for one that UTM interviews students for it...I know for one that UTM interviews students for its architecture course. However, it should be applied to all, be it engineering, business, more so medicine, pharmacy and those hot courses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145380388852070722006-04-19T01:13:00.000+08:002006-04-19T01:13:00.000+08:00Tony, I think you should edit the percentage in yo...Tony, I think you should edit the percentage in your 1st para - it now reads "100%" :-)<BR/><BR/>Dear Anon, I was interviewed in 1985 for entrance to UUM, but I'm not sure if they maintained this practise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145378462637407722006-04-19T00:41:00.000+08:002006-04-19T00:41:00.000+08:00CCA or no CCA, it is still lousy. Unlike the UK, I...CCA or no CCA, it is still lousy. Unlike the UK, I have never heard of local universities conducting interviews to select students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com