tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post114265712957343784..comments2024-03-21T20:10:28.943+08:00Comments on EDUCATION IN MALAYSIA: College for Malaysian IdolsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1148886022343855962006-05-29T15:00:00.000+08:002006-05-29T15:00:00.000+08:00This is a college to watch in the future. Now that...This is a college to watch in the future. Now that it has our attention, heard that they are implementing drastic service improvement initiatives. Staff are to work round the clock 7 days a week! Service training almost everyweekend, feedback from students & customers, etc.<BR/>A lot of cleanup to do but all in the right direction. Other colleges better not be caught sleeping as ignorance and complacency will be their archilles heel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1147347174593266322006-05-11T19:32:00.000+08:002006-05-11T19:32:00.000+08:00hmm... i think using idol popularity in the colleg...hmm... i think using idol popularity in the college ad is not something to be criticized. Indeed, it is an idea where nobody will ever thought of it previously.<BR/><BR/>Come on.. don’t be so conservative people out there. The trend is changing now and the fact is that it works…!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1145606389835831392006-04-21T15:59:00.000+08:002006-04-21T15:59:00.000+08:00Noted segi college is pretty aggressive these days...Noted segi college is pretty aggressive these days. I'm not so sure what's the attraction but their scholarships are hot. Got to know from a friend who knows of a few top students who were rejected for full scholarship despite doing well in the spm. But these students were accepted for full scholarship elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Not too sure...perhaps the college is out to eke out money from students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144840616523288492006-04-12T19:16:00.000+08:002006-04-12T19:16:00.000+08:00i saw an ad with idol daniel with segi again today...i saw an ad with idol daniel with segi again today in the star.<BR/><BR/>just wish they have much more to offer rather than just banking in on the idol popularity.<BR/><BR/>not that i think segi's a lousy college. in fact, i think it's doing a great job to last 30 years (i think) in the industry.<BR/><BR/>it's just that one shouldn't focus so much on the malaysian idol aspect. brilliant as the marketing idea may be initially, it's milking the cow dry.<BR/><BR/>noticed earlier ads with another college featuring siti nurhaliza. now, that's something i don't understand. what statement does that provide? be pretty and attract a rich husband?<BR/><BR/>anyhow, don't like the direction this college is heading. it won't be long until we see colleges sponsoring akademi fantasia.<BR/><BR/>mawi...anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144836362275214652006-04-12T18:06:00.000+08:002006-04-12T18:06:00.000+08:00I was referred to this website by a friend by emai...I was referred to this website by a friend by email. I am shocked at the prejudice against Systematic College.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I am an ex-accounting student of Systematic at their campus in PJ. I may not be able to afford nor have the opportunity to study at fancy universities overseas, but what we had was pure hardwork and the right guidance, and of course our 'streetwiseness'.<BR/><BR/>I didn't turn out to be a sampah masyarakat but have gone on to open and run my own company, rather successfully. It may not be listed like Tony P's (check out his profile) but I'm confortable with the company's multi million profit per year and providing jobs for 87 people. <BR/><BR/>Yes, at times I was ashame of the college because it doesn't have a 'campus look and feel' but once you learn the subject matter and apply them it works. I would think better than the nerds in top universities. My staff from Systematic are one of the better if not top ones as compared to those from other colleges and unis.<BR/><BR/>Don't judge a book by its cover, so don't judge a college superficially.<BR/><BR/>Am saddened by the change of name from Systematic to Segi, but guess we all have to move on with times. Wish Segi all the best...you have moved thousands.<BR/><BR/>Chin (Systematic Class of 94')Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144402626907313302006-04-07T17:37:00.000+08:002006-04-07T17:37:00.000+08:00am very surprise that this thread still continues ...am very surprise that this thread still continues to today.<BR/><BR/>mr. observer is right. systematic may not be no. 1 or even in the top 10 for that matter but they certainly does provide education to regular malaysians - i've got accounts clerk, marketing executives to some senior people working in my company that are good. look like sytematic set up a college and provide honest service.<BR/><BR/>for a while i was doing my mba through them but dropped out owing to work commitment. may resume soon.<BR/><BR/>have somethign to say about their shoplot service & facilities which leave much to be desired.<BR/><BR/>now they are segi college, and very aggressive in marketing. i think it is a good thing that they decide to rebrnad and upgrade their image, and i think the marketing is excellent.<BR/><BR/>will find out if it is just window dressing or improve service quality when i go back and do my mba.<BR/><BR/>the programme is good and the campus is convenience location, but service can be quite bad. but heard that colleges that hire partime lecturers risk having classes cancelled in last minute. it is something that we have to live with to network and share industry experience with parttime lecturers.<BR/><BR/>but what i stress is that systematic graduates have jobs and are good. better than the local university graduates that can't string a proper sentence in english. i'm not saying my english is perfect or good but at least i can communicate and get message across.<BR/><BR/>the advise i want to give students is rather than going for some local universities or some government institutions, with exception of maybe university malaya, and end up jobless. Better to get a qualification that give you job and work your way up and constantly upgrade yourself. <BR/><BR/>the rm10k or rm20k you save by going for local u means nothing if you can't find job. opportunity cost of 6 month employment for fresh grad earning rm2k is already rm12k.<BR/><BR/>be careful and think first before you decide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144398570969090082006-04-07T16:29:00.000+08:002006-04-07T16:29:00.000+08:00Kudos to Tony Pua's site for setting the template ...Kudos to Tony Pua's site for setting the template for healthy debate about pros and cons of marketing & branding of colleges.<BR/><BR/>The views of the public, the market and students can't be muzzled anymore. <BR/><BR/>Colleges that hope to hide their incompetence and lack of quality, poor facilities, below par service and unqualified lecturers behind the veneer of slick advertising & glossy brochures can't survive for long. Before long, the word of mouth...further amplified in forums like this will catch up with them.<BR/><BR/>The converse is true for quality educational institutions. Providing education is a service, albeit a noble one. A first grade institution's reputation will spread just as quickly, and before long, students will jostle for a seat.<BR/><BR/>Private education institutions are, understandably, more disadvantage as they have no public money to rely on. They have to generate enough revenue to run their institutions. It's not easy balancing what is essentially a business with what I would call a social responsibility of ensuring its graduates are workready.<BR/><BR/>Some will resort to trickery, cutting corners and running illegal & unrecognised programmes to the students peril. Unfortunately, the actions of a few will ultimately shame the whole flock. <BR/><BR/>I personally think Tony Pua has erred in his judgment of SEGi. <BR/><BR/>Whether it's Systematic College or Prime College, the fact is that these colleges have been around for more than 20 years..or 30 years (?!!). Yes, they may not be first rate or be the first choice of students. But a college that thrives on 'grey advertising', empty promises, scholarship trickery, etc....will certainly be wiped out within a year or two.<BR/><BR/>Although I've given up teaching years ago (and have since cashed out on SEGi shares 2 years ago), I do profess having a finger in the pulse or nerve of education today.<BR/><BR/>Segi or Systematic can't be labelled inferior. Its graduates do have gainful employment and occasionally do bump into a few of them. They are successful in their own right. <BR/><BR/>It resonates of outright elitism on Tony Pua's part to slam a proper private college in this forum. Very few of us have the opportunity for education in an elite or top-notch educatonal institution due to many reasons - lack of funds, opportunities, connections, demand outstripping supply, etc. Even more so in the 70s, 80s and early 90s when places to good public universities, scholarships and other opportunities were scarce.<BR/><BR/>It's educational institutions such as Systematic or SEGi that provides a means for the masses to improve themselves so that they may get better jobs and have better lives and in turn, contribute back to society. I must say that they have done a fairly good job playing this egalitarian role. <BR/><BR/>They have certainly transformed themselves from mere professional qualification, certificate providers to providing twinning degrees these days.<BR/><BR/>The enroping of Idols, etc., I agree is a gimmick to attract attention. But attention is drawn to an institution that wants to improve itself and upgrade its image. That's what I see.<BR/><BR/>SEGi only have a 20-30 year history but it started off on the right track by providing education for the masses. <BR/><BR/>University College London and a host of other great universities were founded on these principles. The utilitarian (thought to have made popular by UCL founder, Jeremy Bentham) idea that everyone is equal and should have equal access to higher education. It was an idea that was unpopular and criticised by elitist england then.<BR/><BR/>Whilst I dare not compare segi to ucl but time will only tell.<BR/><BR/>My personal advise is not to look down or disrespect qualifications...or even dump them in the trash bin...for I'm sure there are systematic students there that are far more successful than either you or I. It's just that they are far too busy contributing to society or making money than to read or contribute to this forum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144334044776044472006-04-06T22:34:00.000+08:002006-04-06T22:34:00.000+08:00Prime College was acquired to become part of the S...Prime College was acquired to become part of the Systematic Education Group in 2001.<BR/><BR/>I have plenty of respect for Prime College 'A' Levels programme for I have a lot of friends who were top students originating from that college. Whether the standards have deteriorated in recent years, I have no idea.<BR/><BR/>However, I definitely don't have the same respect for Systematic Colleges.<BR/><BR/>So do your homework carefully before choosing the right college for yourself. The good thing about a forum like this is that you get to read all the views pros and cons. Ultimately the decision is with yourself.<BR/><BR/>Tony P :)Golf Afflictedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16363347839543221577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144312522001820002006-04-06T16:35:00.000+08:002006-04-06T16:35:00.000+08:00Yes, I agree with the USQ grad. Although I'm not a...Yes, I agree with the USQ grad. Although I'm not a student at SEGi (am studying at Inti) but I've heard from friends that the quality at SEGi is pretty high, especially the Subang campus. They used to be known as Prime College. My cousins who graduated from Reading University and Queens took their foundation A-Levels at Prime and scored straight As. <BR/><BR/>Their reputation took a dive in the past 2-3 years when they moved to the Summit from Old Klang Road, but looks like they are putting their act together now.<BR/><BR/>Heard quite a number of A students have enrolled there now.<BR/><BR/>Am thinking of transferring after my foundation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144291939462294282006-04-06T10:52:00.000+08:002006-04-06T10:52:00.000+08:00I wasn't feeling good while reading Tony's comment...I wasn't feeling good while reading Tony's comment on SEGi. Eventhough I'm not actually graduated from SEGi, but I completed my Degree studies from USQ at Prime College(SEGi). I've encounted a few good lecturers during that time and some of them are still with the college. I've had a great study experience there for a year and I just think Tony is too biased. <BR/>I truly believe that SEGi is trying its best to become the top college and I wish them all them all the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1144130915896642362006-04-04T14:08:00.000+08:002006-04-04T14:08:00.000+08:00Don't think Tony meant any cheating or conning. Th...Don't think Tony meant any cheating or conning. The words "not commercially unethical" could not be taken to mean that, although it can't be taken to mean that its commercially ethical either.<BR/><BR/>However, I beg to differ from Tony as relying on Idolmania is actually quite smart. The goal of marketing is firstly to attract attention and interest, and nothing is better than enroping the idols to promote the college.<BR/><BR/>There is a risk though that the Idols may be involved in scandals in the future but I'm sure SEGi has taken appropriate steps to manage those risks.<BR/><BR/>Once attention and interest is obtained, the college then has to do other things such as creating the desire and needs on the part of those who already gave their attention.<BR/><BR/>Remember, that attention itself doesn't sell. The college need to still go back to old fashioned quality education and a superior learning experience.<BR/><BR/>But for a new college, SEGi has done pretty well from a marketing perspective.<BR/><BR/>The fact that we're having a debate online about it proves the point.<BR/><BR/>By the way, read in the NST about SEGi's signing of MOU with Sheffield. Looks like they are on their way up.<BR/><BR/>Have not hired any SEGi graduates though I'll be looking out for them and post their quality. Watch this space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143805101447410422006-03-31T19:38:00.000+08:002006-03-31T19:38:00.000+08:00The partnership with Sheffield University is on th...The partnership with Sheffield University is on the Segi website. It's linking the diploma in engineering to Sheffield's degree. <BR/><BR/>Check out this link: http://www.segi.edu.my/faculty/eng_it/index.htm<BR/><BR/>Don't see the hoo-haa about cheating and conning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143630269264139792006-03-29T19:04:00.000+08:002006-03-29T19:04:00.000+08:00If using top scorers & scholarship students to pro...If using top scorers & scholarship students to promote a college is bad, should check out help college and taylors. they put top spm students picture and name on their ads. the college is clearly not responsible for their success at secondary school.<BR/><BR/>perhaps it's just to show that good students study there and if you have the opportunity to rub shoulders with them, you may be smart too.<BR/><BR/>some weird reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143623366695316862006-03-29T17:09:00.000+08:002006-03-29T17:09:00.000+08:00Tony misses the point altogether, I think. It's no...Tony misses the point altogether, I think. It's not about the idols being graduates of the college, but about them having a clean cut image and possessing the right values i.e. being good role models. <BR/><BR/>Agree the the college is rather aggressive in its advertising but don't think it's harmful as there's no element of deception or misrepresentation involved, in this promotion.<BR/><BR/>If the objective of the promotion is to get attention, it succeeded but I hope that students are more savvy these days than to sign-up on that basis alone. <BR/><BR/>I won't comment much about the excerpt taken from Sarawak Talk - that's simply hearsay. How could one support his assertion with unsupported facts taken from sarawak talk is anyone's guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143273663633545282006-03-25T16:01:00.000+08:002006-03-25T16:01:00.000+08:00Interesting concept to use idols for promotion...q...Interesting concept to use idols for promotion...quite savvy I guess but I agree that you have to wonder about the quality of the college.verniciousknidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493126794954857798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143241606717908842006-03-25T07:06:00.000+08:002006-03-25T07:06:00.000+08:00the world is turning into a strange strange placethe world is turning into a strange strange placeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143204316320870092006-03-24T20:45:00.000+08:002006-03-24T20:45:00.000+08:00they wanna make money only!!!!they wanna make money only!!!!Kenny Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09647398958173870628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143174590905323702006-03-24T12:29:00.000+08:002006-03-24T12:29:00.000+08:00Well you guys have to differentiate between real p...Well you guys have to differentiate between real promotion and marketing.<BR/><BR/>People, read the conditions carefully about the so called "high achievers scholarship".<BR/><BR/>It says, the fund on DOES NOT COVER portions payable to partner's university.<BR/><BR/>AND they (8TV & Segi) will be USING you to do their promotion activities under one of their condition. And if you do not maintain discipline (like allow them to make use of you for their marketing purposes), they can revoke your scholarship!<BR/><BR/>mmmm....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1143127746806770582006-03-23T23:29:00.000+08:002006-03-23T23:29:00.000+08:00Dear tony,remember the expo about US universities ...Dear tony,<BR/><BR/>remember the expo about US universities that Malaysian students/alumnis were planning to do this summer?<BR/><BR/>the site is up :<BR/><BR/>http://www.experiences-kl.org/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com