tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post115948889074412919..comments2024-03-21T20:10:28.943+08:00Comments on EDUCATION IN MALAYSIA: Bogeyman PoliticsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-90804738454892638522010-02-18T19:34:09.880+08:002010-02-18T19:34:09.880+08:00Wat U hav talkd bout Jayabalan a/l Kandiah is abso...Wat U hav talkd bout Jayabalan a/l Kandiah is absolutely correct.. He is an useless person.. Dun trust him!! Bloody!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-52814844101069035842009-12-01T12:05:56.685+08:002009-12-01T12:05:56.685+08:00wei, i know dis fellow... i'm kinda biz part w...wei, i know dis fellow... i'm kinda biz part wit him.... so far i didn't encounter anything wif him. do advise me coz i dun wanna loose anything....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-41138581446817783052009-03-23T13:21:00.000+08:002009-03-23T13:21:00.000+08:00Jayabalan a/l Kandiah, GPK1 from SJKT Gemas is a b...Jayabalan a/l Kandiah, GPK1 from SJKT Gemas is a bloody snake! He is dishonest,insincere and a good actor! Don't trust this fellow! He is like a double edged sword! He is a good backstabber!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159680216539423482006-10-01T13:23:00.000+08:002006-10-01T13:23:00.000+08:00To me, the best solution: Demolish all other schoo...To me, the best solution: Demolish all other schools including sekolah agama and have only national schools. Teach Chinese and Tamil as mandatory subjects just like English and BM. (Since we longed for national integrity, what's wrong with learning other races' mother tounge?)<BR/><BR/>Science and Maths subjects including Information Technology related subjects teach in English. The others stick back to Malay. And throw away those useless subjects like EST. (What's the use of having a subject called English for Science and Technology when their Maths and Science subjects are taught in English?). Throw away the grade A syndrome and the "pure Science students = norm, arts students and sub-Science students = hopeless students" mentality.<BR/><BR/>By the way, why do those UMNO people always think that Chinese medium schools are sole factor to our national disintegrity? What about those Sekolah Agama, matriculation, and those so called quota? Can't their people begin to put effort and work hard if they want something (ie scholarship)? Why do they need the quota system which includes a 60 or 70% guaranteed for bumi while the remaining to be fought over by Chinese, Indians, Ibans, and even Malays?<BR/><BR/>The point here: Be transparent. Just award those scholarship to whoever who do well, and off course to those poor students who did reasonably well. Don't use race as a criteria. The more the government use to race factor to determine something especially awards or place in public u, the more non-Muslims will feel disadvantage. Have a fair and square fight. <BR/><BR/>Ps: Can we all treat all Malaysians as just Malaysians and not Malaysian Muslim, Malaysian Chinese, Malaysian Indian, etc?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159674541831940512006-10-01T11:49:00.000+08:002006-10-01T11:49:00.000+08:00...and inthe end, the Malays and the Chinese integ......and inthe end, the Malays and the Chinese integrate and both live happily ever after.<BR/><BR/>End of fairy tale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159540731968501072006-09-29T22:38:00.000+08:002006-09-29T22:38:00.000+08:00"Your idea of integration and mine might not only ..."Your idea of integration and mine might not only match that of a Chinese-ed" ...<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I meant might not only NOT match ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159537159792749982006-09-29T21:39:00.000+08:002006-09-29T21:39:00.000+08:00Jonoave,Your point is well taken. Your point is en...Jonoave,<BR/><BR/>Your point is well taken. Your point is entirely valid. <BR/><BR/>I still think that we shouldn't generalise too much concerning vernacular education. After all, Umno let alone the ordinary Malay has a different idea ofwhat constitutes integration. Your idea of integration and mine might not only match that of a Chinese-ed, but the Malay as well who's been to the same national as you and I. Integration in this respect is difficult to quantify or qualify - hence it's quite a subjective value.<BR/><BR/>I believe as long as the objective value of national loyalty as embodied by the Rukunegara is incorporated into all education streams, we shouldn't worry too much about polarisation which is a result of racial politics as practiced by Umno. <BR/><BR/>As long as Umno is the united MALAYS national organisation, removing national type, i.e Chinese and Tamil, schools would only serve to erode our cultural and lingistic rights, thus weakening integration as we would want it instead of strengthening it. There is no middle way on this.<BR/><BR/>It's precisely that we the non-Malays are also a diverse lot that we have to accommodate the wishes of our fellow Chinese who come from a different perspective. BUT at the end of the day, we are NOT Malays, and are up against a ruling party bent on their ketuanan Melayu agenda.<BR/><BR/>The DAP is right all these while; they know what they are up to. The vernacular education system is but one aspect of the wider struggle for a truly Malaysian Malaysia where genuine integration takes place but not assimilation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159536476012174592006-09-29T21:27:00.000+08:002006-09-29T21:27:00.000+08:00How about calling on Umno to open its doors to the...How about calling on Umno to open its doors to the non-bumis for starters? How about calling for abolition of the distinction between bumi and non-bumi? I am pretty sure there'll be a scramble to fill in those application forms and Badawi's popularity amongst the Chinese will shoot up like nothing!<BR/><BR/>Let's start from there first shall we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159535638169470582006-09-29T21:13:00.000+08:002006-09-29T21:13:00.000+08:00I'm a Malaysian Chinese with my primary & secondar...I'm a Malaysian Chinese with my primary & secondary education in National schools. And I fully agree with zero. <BR/><BR/>Coming from a national school, it was a total culture shock when I stepped into local uni, where racial polarization is sharp. And each race's mentality (mostly) is to look our for each others well-being, each other being the same race of course. And I too notice how most of the races are ignorant of other's races (like I've pointed out in YB Lim's blog)- most malays thought the various chinese dialects are mere 'slangs', or even most chinese doesn't know the difference between syawal & ramadan, or that puasa last for 1 month.<BR/><BR/>Tanjungpetir: Maybe you're confusing loyalty with racial integration. It's not about the vernacular school promoting loyalty to Mainland China, but they don't provide a conducive environment for racial integration. Sure there are the Malays or other races, but they're just a few. The examples you give bout interaction in classes and library etc only shows racial tolerance. Tolerance as in we put up with each other. Therefore I emphasize on racial integration, where mingling with each other is second nature.<BR/><BR/>But of course, it should be 2-ways. The first time the race card rears its ugly head is when I noticed most of my Malay classmates being transferred to boarding schools after Form 3. As I oppose the idea of vernacular schools, I too oppose the idea of matriculation or full-boarding schools. Primary and secondary education should be a single system. But the other languages eg Mandarin and Tamil must of course, be made available.<BR/><BR/>Let's make racial integration something that our childern grow up, their second nature. Not something they learned about in schools and they tolerate with when they enter unis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159528215133596982006-09-29T19:10:00.000+08:002006-09-29T19:10:00.000+08:00I personally believe that all schools belonging to...I personally believe that all schools belonging to one ethnic denomination should be dismantled immediately and replaced with something similar to vision schools. However, I'm not entirely sure of vision schools either. Why would you want to have 3 different school systems in the same compound sharing the facilities. Why don't you have one single school and teaching in the language of mother tongue for all individual ethnicities. Also, I think that the idea of Chinese medium schools is one of the reasons that we're in this whole racial mess to begin with. The Chinese wish to protect theses schools with they're lives. They give no leeway for manouvre as they feel that this is a threat on they're culture and heritage. I can see where they're coming from, as the Malays have they're own religious schools (which i think should be abolished as well!). So at the end of the day what I'm trying to say is, I think both sides are completely wrong and arguing a moot point, in terms of racial harmony. All Chinese medium schools, Tamil schools (and lets face it, who really goes to tamil schools?) and religious Malay schools should be scrapped and replaced with Vision schools and something even more secular than that!<BR/>Good day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159520975687903652006-09-29T17:09:00.000+08:002006-09-29T17:09:00.000+08:00"Do students of Chinese schools inter-act with oth..."Do students of Chinese schools inter-act with other races at public libraries, shopping places, etc.?"<BR/><BR/>I meant DON'T ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159520907482470342006-09-29T17:08:00.000+08:002006-09-29T17:08:00.000+08:00Intolerance and lack of integration is not a one w...Intolerance and lack of integration is not a one way street if one insists on seeing vernacluar schools as obstacles in themselves to such ...<BR/><BR/>After all, Malays are just as guilty of intolerance, stereotype and lack of integration. I'm not only talknig about students here but also of the teachers as well.<BR/><BR/>I'm one hundred percent Malay/English ed. I don't speak Mandarin. But I fail to see how vernacular education is not conducive to integration. Do Chinese schools promote Mainland China as the focal point of loyalty and affection? Do Chinese schools ignore informed exposure of other cultures? Do students of Chinese schools inter-act with other races at public libraries, shopping places, etc.?<BR/><BR/>I would be the first to admit that the Chinese-ed (in most cases) and I do not have the same "wavelength", granted ... but this does not justify me imposing what I think is the benchmark for integration. It's scary when education is still a very much politicised arena by Umno that there are those who would bother to clamour for the removal of what is essentially the preservation of one's cultural and linguistic rights. <BR/><BR/>Rest assured, your noble standing up for only national schools will not be *reciprocated* in kind by Umno - with their ketuanan melayu agenda. In other words, not only there's no same wavelength here of significant political proportion between the Chinese pro-national schools only and umno, but the interpretation by the latter would have serious long-standing ramifications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159510106749144632006-09-29T14:08:00.000+08:002006-09-29T14:08:00.000+08:00Unity cannot be forced in or hijacked. Unity will ...Unity cannot be forced in or hijacked. Unity will only develop out of mutual respect and trusts. As long the above are not followed, no matter how long it takes, the unity might only be superficial and not in grained.<BR/>Politicians and academicians should try to see unity from the point of above.<BR/>After many years after Merdeka, the Bogeyman is still intolerance resulting in generation of hatred and mistrusts in racial, religious and educational issues.<BR/>UMNO and other political parties should stop exploiting these issues. Its hurting to every race. Until when will UMNO stop saying " perjuangan kita belum habis"?<BR/>Tell me what is the perjuangan about specifically? Dont say in general and in vague notionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159508002051440192006-09-29T13:33:00.000+08:002006-09-29T13:33:00.000+08:00zero, agree with you on some of the points, especi...zero, agree with you on some of the points, especially on the unity part.<BR/><BR/>Howerver, histories have shown that the government did not keep to their promises. We can't blame chinese educationists for the strong rejection. But the government need to do more to convince, not by talking, but put it in black and white, in the policies, to clear the doubts of the chinese educationists. I think that's the only way if they want the chinese educationists to support the vision.<BR/><BR/>I believe they would support it if the future is guaranteed.<BR/><BR/>Say you run a company, it's like someone is offering you a merger giving you various promises but never put it in black and white. Get what I mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159506506124133662006-09-29T13:08:00.000+08:002006-09-29T13:08:00.000+08:00I am a Chinese-Malaysian which was educated in nat...I am a Chinese-Malaysian which was educated in national schools.<BR/><BR/>I still feel that vernacular schools are detrimental to racial unity in this country. True, it might not be the ONLY factor, however, it is undeniable that it is one of the factors.<BR/><BR/>It's a lot to ask of little kids, who after spending 6 years in a totally Chinese environment, to just suddenly 'mingle' and make friends with students of other races in secondary school. People tend to stick to what they're familiar with, and Chinese-ed kids are not familiar with other race's cultures and religions.<BR/><BR/>I happen to attend a secondary school which is situated in an urban Chinese environment. Many of my Chinese classmates there come from Chinese vernacular schools. This might just be an isolated case, but those Chinese-ed students in my school have their own little circle. They predominently speak Mandarin, and stereotype students of other races. Their social circles almost always consist of only Chinese-Malaysians.<BR/><BR/>This is a stark contrast from my experiences in my national primary school. I had friends from all races (not superficial ones, but true friendships), I could speak fluent Malay, and I think I can say that I didn't suffer badly at the academic front of things.<BR/><BR/>However, a few clarifications must be made first in my case. I noticed that my primary school was more 'mixed' compared to the majority of other national schools. And not ALL Chinese-ed students are like what I've described above, but MOST are.<BR/><BR/>I have totally no problems with the mothertongue education. However, I do not agree with the current way this is implemented. I feel that Singapore's blueprint to do this is the best way. Integrate mothertongue education into national schools. But Mandarin/Tamil classes must not be relegated to Saturday classes and such. They must be stressed to be as equally important as all the other subjects taught at national schools.<BR/><BR/>My view on this issue anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159501384685587152006-09-29T11:43:00.000+08:002006-09-29T11:43:00.000+08:00Nice topic.Nice topic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-1159501196775026192006-09-29T11:39:00.000+08:002006-09-29T11:39:00.000+08:00I dig out some of the histories....From Jeff Ooi's...I dig out some of the histories....<BR/><BR/>From Jeff Ooi's forum,<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Call to boycott <BR/><BR/>In response to this, Chinese education lobby groups issued a press statement today calling for parents to boycott the vision school. <BR/><BR/>In a joint statement, the United Chinese School Committees Association of Malaysia and the United Chinese School Teachers Association of Malaysia, collectively known as Dong Jiao Zong, urged local residents not to enrol their children as the school cannot operate autonomously. <BR/><BR/>“It is instead the product of a transitional period,” said the statement in reference to the Chinese education lobby group’s view that the government’s aim in introducing the vision school concept is to bring about the termination of vernacular education in the country. <BR/><BR/>“We maintain our stand that the vision school concept is aimed at assimilation of all schools of different teaching media into a monolingual education system which uses Bahasa Malaysia as its medium of instruction,” said Dong Jiao Zong. <BR/><BR/>According to Dong Jiao Zong, the Chinese community is opposed to the vision school proposal as it masks the government’s intention, as declared in the 1956 Razak Report, to eliminate mother tongue education eventually from the national education system. <BR/><BR/>“It does not help if the Barisan Nasional parties continue to overlook this fact and try to avoid the real problem (of the communities’ concerns). It is public knowledge that the government has long ignored the request by the Chinese community to build more Chinese schools,” said the statement.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>The rationale rejecting vision schools by DAP...<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Mahathir, berhenti memanggil ahli pendidikan Cina sebagai ekstrimis! <BR/>DAP meluahkan kekecewaannya terhadap pernyataan Perdana Menteri semalam. Menurut suatu laporan Bernama, Mahathir melabelkan lagi ahli pendidikan Cina sebagai ekstrimis. Beliau juga menuduh mereka yang menentang konsep Sekolah Wawasan "menghalang proses perpaduan pelbagai kaum di Malaysia". <BR/><BR/>Perdana Menteri berkata bahawa kerajaan akan meneruskan Sekolah Wawasan dengan tujuan menyatupadukan rakyat Malaysia, mula dari peringkat sekolah. <BR/><BR/>Nampaknya Mahathir belum mempelajari ajaran daripada pilihan raya kecil Lunas di mana Barisan Nasional (BN) kalah dengan margin yang sedikit, walaupun beliau mengakui bahawa isu Sekolah Wawasan merupakan isu terpenting yang menyebabkan kekalahan BN. <BR/><BR/>Mahathir adalah bersalah dengan menuntut bahawa Dong Jiao Zong tidak mempertahan bahasa Cina atau pembelajaran bahasa Cina kerana kerajaan telah memberi jaminan. <BR/><BR/>Walaupun kerajaan BN telah meminda Akta Pendidikan 1961 untuk menarik balik kuasa Menteri Pendidikan menukar kedudukan sekolah Cina kepada sekolah kebangsaan selepas bantahan DAP dan Dong Jiao Zong pada 1996, tetapi matlamat menggunakan bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa pengantar pengajaran masih tidak berubah. <BR/><BR/>Sekolah Wawasan ialah suatu konsep yang mengumpulkan sekolah kebangsaan, sekolah jenis kebangsaan Cina dan Tamil di satu kawasan dengan murid-murid mengkongsikan kemudahan sekolah yang sama, dan setiap sekolah terus menggunakan bahasa pengantar masing-masing - sekolah kebangsaan (bahasa Melayu), sekolah Cina (bahasa Cina) dan sekolah Tamil (bahasa Tamil). <BR/><BR/>Akan tetapi, ini tidak menjamin identiti setiap sekolah tidak terjejas kerana konsep itu hanya dipandu oleh kononnya Garis Panduan. Garis Panduan tidak termaktub kepada perundangan dan boleh dimanipulasi atau dipinda dengan mudah oleh pegawai-pegawai kementerian pada masa depan. <BR/><BR/>DAP ingin menyatakan bahawa pada tahun 1962, banyak sekolah Cina telah dipujuk oleh kerajaan untuk bertukar kepada sekolah menengah jenis kebangsaan dengan asas subjek satu per tiga diajar dalam bahasa Cina. Kerajaan tidak menunaikan janji dan kini kebanyakan sekolah menengah hanya ada satu subjek Cina. <BR/><BR/>Hari ini, sekolah-sekolah menengah hanya dibenar untuk mengadakan kelas bahasa Cina jika terdapat tuntutan daripada sekurang-kurangnya 15 orang ibu bapa. <BR/><BR/>Jika Perdana Menteri mengambil berat terhadap pepaduan kaum di negara ini, beliau harus mengarahkan Kementerian Pendidikan supaya menjalankan Rancangan Integrasi Murid-Murid Untuk Perpaduan, yang disediakan oleh Kementerian Pendidikan pada tahun 1986 selepas berunding dengan Dong Jiao Zong. Timbalan Perdana Menteri, Ahmad Badawi ialah Menteri Pendidikan pada masa itu manakala timbalannya ialah Ling Liong Sik. <BR/><BR/>Tuduhan Mahathir bahawa Dong Jiao Zong dan mereka yang menolak konsep Sekolah Wawasan "tidak mengaku mereka adalah rakyat Malaysia dan perlu berdamping dengan rakyat Malaysia daripada keturunan lain" adalah amat tidak adil. <BR/><BR/>Tuduhan Mahathir bahawa ahli-ahli pendidikan Cina "ingin segala-galanya diasingkan. Sekolah Cina diasingkan daripada sekolah-sekolah lain sehingga sekolah Cina menjadi sekolah asing, bukan sekolah dalam Malaysia" juga adalah amat tidak adil. <BR/><BR/>DAP inginkan Mahathir dan Kabinetnya mendengar seruan rakyat menggugurkan projek Sekolah Wawasan di mesyuarat Kabinet esok. Tiada apa-apa pernyataan yang boleh mengubahkan fikiran ahli pendidikan dan ibu bapa Cina yang ingin mengekalkan identiti sekolah Cina. DAP percaya bahawa rakyat Malaysia akan memberi sokongan untuk mempertahan pendidikan bahasa ibunda di negara ini.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I think there is a lot of fears amongst the chinese educationist that eventually all schools will be transformed into national schools with Bahasa Malaysia as the main language while others are secondary or optional.<BR/><BR/>I also read in another article the government mentioned the teachers of all schools should have a good mixtures of teachers from all races. Meaning there is also a fear eventually, majority of the teachers will be you know from what race, since the ministry is in control.<BR/><BR/>On the pork question, at the moment for all schools including vernacular schools, the canteen catering is controlled by the ministry, so it is not possible even for the chinese schools to sell pork, there are malay and muslim students study there as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com