tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post6929726970545008284..comments2024-03-21T20:10:28.943+08:00Comments on EDUCATION IN MALAYSIA: Unfair attacks on UiTM?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-33101832074031044102011-04-04T11:40:27.916+08:002011-04-04T11:40:27.916+08:00dear readers, i've read nazim's letter and...dear readers, i've read nazim's letter and some of you misunderstood his points. You have to understand that he is an excellent writer and as a reader one should read line by line and also in-betweem the lines to get to his message. If you readers continue to bash a particular university's degree (to wrap goreng pisang) you have made a very clear point that you are being racist. We have graduates of local and foreign universities who are highly qualified and those who survive because parents have very deep pocket. <br /><br />Readers, your inability to reason and support your argument are two main reasons why your points cannot be understood. <br /><br />In addition, you will gain no one's support with negative remarks, you will only tell others how bad you really are, as a person and also an internet user.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-53103262076530171452010-11-11T01:30:29.346+08:002010-11-11T01:30:29.346+08:00I am truly astonished to the phrase of "their...I am truly astonished to the phrase of "their paper (degree) could be worth no more than those wrapping goreng pisang" from one of the above tendered comments. <br /><br />First of all, as far as I concerned, UiTM indeed in parallel with other international and local universities in the academic segments and that opinion is very judgmental and made in hasty generalization.<br /><br />Second, in Bahasa Melayu it upheld the rule of Hukum DM, as 'diterangkan' and 'menerangkan.' Goreng pisang means to fry the banana. The proper usage is pisang goreng as to indicate the fried banana itself. Let's the UiTM's degrees holders fry you as pisang goreng. LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-73091303000356995552010-01-17T01:04:01.679+08:002010-01-17T01:04:01.679+08:00Shin Liang, in respect of your comment, I do agree...Shin Liang, in respect of your comment, I do agree with your view in that in economic reconstruction, social and economic disparities of the poor must be taken into account juxtaposed as to race..<br />However, a knee jerk reality is that in Malaysia WE still DO have RACIAL disparities among ourselves that is each races in Malaysia have refused to let go of their differences in order to be assumed as one Malaysian.. <br />Therefore, it is not surprising in dividing the nation's wealth, races is one of the factors that must be looked upon.<br />Furthermore, as cited by Tun M recently, the Malays only seek for 40% of the nation's wealth albeit the Malays make up of 60% of the Malaysian citizen. Is it wrong for us to seek as such??<br />Therefore, to make your opinion a reality, the first fundamental steps which must be taken is to reduce the RACIAL DISPARITY among the races in Malaysia then division of the Nation's wealth can be divided without taking the race factor into account..<br /><br />FIRDAUS ADZHAR SHOLLIHINAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14189087923514428834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-54835238666719163182009-05-21T16:57:26.279+08:002009-05-21T16:57:26.279+08:00"an UiTM lecturer"?
Dude. Please. Don't put me to..."an UiTM lecturer"? <br />Dude. Please. Don't put me to shame. And to think that you read the post just to leave THAT as a comment. Sheesh. Are you from a particular *ehem* competing law school trying to embarrass UiTM students?<br /><br />On the post... am actually quite surprised that Nazim pretty much sided with the ol' affirmative action. Pretty flimsy arguments written in good English. <br /><br />You kindda disappoint me Sir. Your letter to the VC was much more entertaining.<br /><br />Good try though. Good try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-2832381319570278162009-01-20T19:49:00.000+08:002009-01-20T19:49:00.000+08:00nazim is an uitm lecturer in law faculty.. he is m...nazim is an uitm lecturer in law faculty.. he is my lecturer for jurisprudence.. all hail mr nazim..!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-38155654205134455832008-10-08T14:33:00.000+08:002008-10-08T14:33:00.000+08:00I am one who never put the praise and blame to any...I am one who never put the praise and blame to any university in as far as producing a good street-smart student is concerned.<BR/><BR/>I have seen Cambridge, Harvard or Offord graduates becoming scums of society, and yet on the other hand, I have also seen and met many graduates from your so-called lousy universities perform the best.<BR/><BR/>Please spare me your prejudice and negative perceptions. It all depends on you. If you were a good seed, thrown in the ocean, you will still bloom into an island!azaharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18298768053860955549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-15794977254948366962008-09-27T08:11:00.000+08:002008-09-27T08:11:00.000+08:00come on! i know a few brilliant students from UiTM...come on! i know a few brilliant students from UiTM. although i must agree the mono-ethnic environment isn't exactly the most conducive. and shame on whomever thinks a degree from NUS is worth something just because it's from NUS(nothingness)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01890127944546815184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-16208023169736007462008-09-18T02:08:00.000+08:002008-09-18T02:08:00.000+08:00UiTM is a bullshit low quality third tier universi...UiTM is a bullshit low quality third tier universiti. It is a race-based uni for Malays who cannot get into better local unis. It is a safety-net uni to reduce unemployment temporarily. Calling it world class is like calling a monyet a princess. UiTM is an utter waste of tax payers' money. It is a degree mill. It produces graduates who cannot speak or think well. Local graduates get good careers overseas because they 'erase' their UiTM degree by sitting for Graduate Record Examinations in the US to get into a respectable grad school and use this degree to look for a job. <BR/>Who would you hire to build a bridge: an engineer from UiTM or NUS???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-81875295559804287122008-09-11T20:37:00.000+08:002008-09-11T20:37:00.000+08:00Response to MOHD NAZIM BIN GANTI SHAARI’s letterIt...Response to MOHD NAZIM BIN GANTI SHAARI’s letter<BR/><BR/>It is interesting to read that most comments on that particular piece of writing is leaning towards the positive end, and presumably (and probably erroneously) Malaysians in general would have responded in a similar fashion. I suppose Malaysians are so used to poor writing (Malay or English languages), such that whenever one piece is properly written, it will catch the audience in awe. Yet, I cannot but agree with one of the commentators, “while I find this article well written in terms of its language, I find it very superficial with many wrong assumptions in terms of its contents.”<BR/><BR/>Let’s examine the author’s arguments for UiTM’s policies:<BR/><BR/>1) Structural inequality justification: It seems like the author refuses to believe that hard work in a meritocracy world will lead to success. I wonder what makes this author think that only Malays are poor, and why you could not succeed with pure hardwork. <BR/><BR/>2) Affirmative actions are still needed for the poor Malays: Since the author suggested that the wealth is held in the hands of several elitists Malay, it would be apparent that UiTM itself, and the rest of the current affirmative actions are failure in generating wealth and middle-class Malay-Malaysians. The point is, 40-odd years of affirmative actions have been very successful, judging from the numbers of Felda millionaires, Bukit Damansara Raya open houses, luxurious Umno politicians castles and thousands of other Malay middle-class professionals. <BR/><BR/>3) Libertarian does not work: First, the author argued against working for oneself success. Next, he claimed that historical-structural inequalities are condemning the Malay communities to poverty unless there are infinite and continuous affirmative actions. While I agree that, yes, if you are so poor that you cannot afford to go to school, some form of welfare net should be there. That would be the kind of welfare-action required. Not racial-based affirmative action. I still cannot see a point FOR racial affirmation point. <BR/><BR/>4) Malays special rights/priviledges: I absolutely hesitant to reply to this point, as it will just give leeway for others to bash me as anti-Malay. If the author care to research and read the actual Reid Commission report, and not just quoting the report to borrow its credibility, then the author would have discovered that the Reid Commission stated quite clearly that Malays’ special entry (rights) to education, civil services, public scholarships by establishment of quotas, should be revisited in15 years (i.e. 1972). Instead of abolishing the quotas, Tun Razak and his cohorts expanded the implied special rights under the whole programme of NEP. <BR/><BR/>5) English is all that graduates learn in university: Of course! If university graduates only have a good command of the Queen’s language, without any improvement to their maturity, critical thinking, social skills and relevant technical knowledge, then the university is as good as useless. Some have already argued that UiTM is bordering such a state (since their graduates are said to be narrow-minded, poor communicators, lack of critical thinking and maturity ). As for instilling good values, I think that should be left to the parents and the society in general, not universities. There are only so much lectures and university do. I do agree with the author’s claim that speaking good English (in his case, writing good English) does not constitute good arguments. <BR/><BR/>6) UiTM graduates are not unemployable! They are simply furthering their study! Someone should tell him that unemployment statistics, by definition means the person must be actively seeking for jobs and cannot acquire one. If UiTM diplomas are not good enough for employment, then stop producing anymore of those graduates. Simple. <BR/><BR/>7) Other rubbish arguments: He implied that the every other graduate got their jobs through nefarious means. What is the difference between UiTM graduates and other local universities graduates when come to employment? The author tends to hint that he has absolutely no idea of the real employment market out in real world. People will hire the best worker and pay to commensurate the added values the employee gives. Simply as that. Then he went on a polemic arguments about UiTM graduates being unfriendly. Rubbish again. What does human personalities have to do with university education? Perhaps, it is more accurate to hypothesize that UiTM graduates have poorer communication skills than other graduates. This may be because of the lack of exposure and communication with diverse range of people and ideas.WYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16149881615500824835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-80508562173307771892008-09-11T19:56:00.000+08:002008-09-11T19:56:00.000+08:00saying that all our local degrees are not recognis...saying that all our local degrees are not recognised is just silly.. i have many friends from local unis who have gone on to MIT, Cambridge and Stanford for further studies, using their "unrecognised" degrees.. i also have friends who are working in various developed countries around the world, for large organisations, using their "unrecognised" degrees.. oh, btw, I'm not even 30 yet.. so, it's not a case of "old timers".. in the end, what is most important is your own self.. if you have the necessary skills and abilities, you will go places where no piece of paper can go.. anyone who thinks that only overseas degrees are any good is delusional..Shawn Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04342111805045331752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-46811837413731671372008-09-10T14:14:00.000+08:002008-09-10T14:14:00.000+08:00I have to agree that educational policies based on...I have to agree that educational policies based on the the "poorer race" is indeed a flawed one in this day and age. If Uitm places ought to be given to the perceived poorer race, I reckon 100% of UiTM should go to the Indians. But that aside, I feel that it is time Malaysian as one ought to move on from race based politics...and whether or not the Malays were also "pendatangs" or what not, all races whether squatters or the likes contributed to our Independence and the development of this country. We can no longer afford to sit and watch our best and brightest children contribute to the societies of the West and nearby Singapore courtesy of a severe brain drain. By all means, the Malays can keep UiTM for as long as they want to. Because what is very real is that when our oil reserves run out, Malaysia will go to the dogs with it's race based politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-38736187042220175262008-09-10T09:49:00.000+08:002008-09-10T09:49:00.000+08:00You notice how those from local U secure good jobs...You notice how those from local U secure good jobs overseas are the OLDER people when UM was still Asia's best few?<BR/><BR/>And you notice almost all of them are either Chinese or Indian?<BR/><BR/>You notice how many of our local U graduates nowadays either become teacher or walk around internet cafes pretending to be employed but posting stupid comments on Tony's blog? =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-82551486604628220462008-09-10T09:45:00.000+08:002008-09-10T09:45:00.000+08:00oh please, NUS, NTU etc are facing the same unempl...<I>oh please, NUS, NTU etc are facing the same unemployed graduates problem too now in spore. dun you read the straits times?</I><BR/>O pls, did you not read their annual report? 97% <B>always</B> get jobs in 3-6 months.<BR/><BR/>You must be from the lousy University who makes up research figures!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-66786804425967838352008-09-10T02:36:00.000+08:002008-09-10T02:36:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-76411159268645004422008-09-09T17:20:00.000+08:002008-09-09T17:20:00.000+08:00anonymous 9/09/2008 10:13:00 AMoh please, NUS, NTU...anonymous 9/09/2008 10:13:00 AM<BR/><BR/>oh please, NUS, NTU etc are facing the same unemployed graduates problem too now in spore. dun you read the straits times?<BR/><BR/>you must be from NUS's marketing department.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-15734587228162317872008-09-09T16:29:00.000+08:002008-09-09T16:29:00.000+08:00I totally agree with the above comments. There are...I totally agree with the above comments. There are too many uncontrolled colleges, university colleges and university printing degree daily. Nowadays, you do not need a good academic results to enter university but dollar and cents will do :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-91831839177554129542008-09-09T13:46:00.000+08:002008-09-09T13:46:00.000+08:00dont lie !if people from overseas gives "apa ...dont lie !<BR/>if people from overseas gives "apa ini" expression, how come local graduates can use their degree to secure good career overseas? <BR/>and how come sooo many local graduates managed to enroll in overseas university?<BR/>stop making ur own stupid judgment.<BR/>i dont think sooo many people knows about NUS too.<BR/>coz after all, everything depends on urself, the quality that u have, how u market urself & how lucky u are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-16811838387615966072008-09-09T10:13:00.000+08:002008-09-09T10:13:00.000+08:00You see Tony, after studying in NUS, then UK, I no...You see Tony, after studying in NUS, then UK, I notice one thing fundamentally wrong with our country.<BR/><BR/>People in our country assume degree = job = good life.<BR/><BR/>No.<BR/><BR/>Take ANY Malaysian degree, or even Malaysian Campus Curtin/Monash degree and compare to my NUS degree, what is the difference?<BR/><BR/>The recognition.<BR/><BR/>I can take my NUS degree to UK and they will agree it is an accredited, good degree. I take any of the above Malaysian degrees and many time we get a "apa ini" expression.<BR/><BR/>These people are trying to give degrees, without ensuring the quality of the degree. End up, you get unemployed degree holders and a huge social issue.<BR/><BR/>Singapore ensures its degree holders have jobs WAITING for them. Our Government just prints degrees by race to give face, and invite racial tension when face is not given to lousy degree holders.<BR/><BR/>Sad is the poor understand of fundamentals of education and economy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-43557582214027445252008-09-09T01:28:00.000+08:002008-09-09T01:28:00.000+08:00There's a vast difference between developed and de...There's a vast difference between developed and developing/undeveloped countries. And this difference lies in the forward/backward mentality. <BR/><BR/>The developed nations look upon the historical events, deliberate on them, learn/unlearn them, and then move on to the greater heights unto the forefront in everything they strive on. Hence, they become the superpower(s) and leaders of the direction of today's civilisation.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the developing/undeveloped nations always harp on the past events, dwell on them, let them linger on to the next, and to the future generations which in turn, come down as the indoctrinations of these countries, which are then become the emcumbrances that is used to bog down the current generation.<BR/><BR/>Think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-88730027412246327782008-09-08T17:15:00.000+08:002008-09-08T17:15:00.000+08:00I can't wait to see them fall flat on their own fa...I can't wait to see them fall flat on their own face. Continue with such racial discrimination and graduates of UiTM will soon plunge further into socio-economic isolation. Their paper (degree) could be worth no more than those wrapping goreng pisang. Already UM is out of the 200 and plunging. UiTM may be out of the 1000. So don't waste time arguing. Let UiTM sow its own demise, and continue with your practice of self-preservation. I wonder who else would employ (beside the government)anyone with UiTM degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-76256864057572554242008-09-08T13:45:00.000+08:002008-09-08T13:45:00.000+08:00I believe that we're barking on the wrong tree.The...I believe that we're barking on the wrong tree.<BR/><BR/>The problem is the education system. We need to revamp the whole system and start getting the talents into the teaching profession. All the flaws of the system has been masked by private tuitions, local private universities and overseas universities funded by middle and upper middle class families and also private loans.<BR/><BR/>Please read <A HREF="http://www.cpps.org.my/sub_page.aspx?catID=7&ddlID=348" REL="nofollow">New Challenges Faced by Malaysian Educators – The Emperor’s Old Clothes by Mr Hanif Othman Merican [CEO of SRI KL Group of Schools] from the 12th Malaysian Education Summit 2008.</A> and <A HREF="http://bakrimusa.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Dr M.Bakri Musa, a surgeon based in California, USA</A><BR/><BR/>Ultimately, we can argue until cows come home [or for some until foaming] or <A HREF="http://ctchoolaw.blogspot.com/2008/08/uitmlet-jobs-do-talking.html" REL="nofollow">let jobs do the talking</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-57614894789502276312008-09-08T11:45:00.000+08:002008-09-08T11:45:00.000+08:00I believe the author has wrongly assumed that othe...I believe the author has wrongly assumed that others assume that "the most important commodity that a university student must acquire out of his student life is the ability to communicate well in English, since success in life is solely determined by how well you could express yourself in English."<BR/><BR/>He went on to further argue that "the main purpose of a tertiary education is not to produce graduates whose command of English is fantastic.... To the guilty employers, image is everything. As long as the “English factor” could be used to prop up the company’s image, then, why not.... We still have a long way to go in trying to get rid off this “sarong party girls” mentality from our society."<BR/><BR/>Well, while it may be true that some teenagers or college kids may superficially judge a person's abilities by his English language skills, I seriously doubt the same is true for employers or managers. <BR/><BR/>I believe the whole argument against UiTM graduates (I'm generalizing here, I'm sure there are many exceptions who very capable) is that they lack the ability think critically, they lack adequate technical skills in their areas of study, and they are unable to communicate well. <BR/><BR/>Them being unable to communicate well in English is just one of many factors, albeit a very important one.<BR/><BR/>As things are in the Malaysian private sector (as well as globally), whether we like it or not, English is the primary medium of communication. And therefore, in order to do well, one should have a decent command of the language. In other words, employers who place such great importance on English, is not idolizing the language or having a "sarong party girl" mentality... BUT are just being practical. How do expect an employee to perform when he is not able to express himself and his ideas in the primary language of communication?<BR/><BR/>To summarize my point: the author argues that many people unfairly judge against UiTM graduates solely because of their poor English Language skills. However, I argue that that is not true. The judgment against UiTM graduates is not just because of their poor English, but also because of their lack in critical thinking skills and close-mindedness. <BR/><BR/>On the overall, while I find this article well written in terms of its language, I find it very superficial with many wrong assumptions in terms of its contents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-39339888198341175052008-09-08T11:19:00.000+08:002008-09-08T11:19:00.000+08:00Everything must have a deadline.If you continue ra...Everything must have a deadline.<BR/><BR/>If you continue racial policies infinitely, then the country will be divided along racial lines. And the divide will grow wider with each year the policies are in place.<BR/><BR/>If you tell a man, "you are disadvantaged, I will give you a fish a day." Without a deadline, he will continue his lifestyle of being disadavantaged instead of improving on his fishing skills.<BR/><BR/>If you tell him "I will give you a fish a day for 20 days." Rest assured the man will improve his fishing skills on day number 16.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-71886670628160216242008-09-07T23:35:00.000+08:002008-09-07T23:35:00.000+08:00To be exact, those graduates with diplomas who wen...To be exact, those graduates with diplomas who went on to further their studies in degree level courses are not the ones who are counted in as unemployed graduates. Take note that the numbers used for the count on graduate unemployment are those who are already seeking jobs, of which does not include those still studying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12123329.post-73291778511540128132008-09-07T22:00:00.000+08:002008-09-07T22:00:00.000+08:00i think this article is pretty well written and I ...i think this article is pretty well written and I hardly can find anything to rebutt...<BR/><BR/>However, the author made one mistake, a grave one, i think - <BR/><BR/>We can all agree to the social and economic restructuring of Malaysia, but as of 2008, this re-structuring should be based on ability/wealth and not race. Education should be provided to everyone that is poor and has less access to education....<BR/><BR/>the assertion of the author that all that are poor are Malays is an outdated one and a wrong one! It is possible that there are more Malays that requires Uni such as UiTM. But that doesn't mean that there will be no non-Malays that requires education as the author puts it.<BR/><BR/>And i quote <I>"But to do so by disregarding the social and economic disparities of the malay/bumiputra is truly a tad too fanciful"</I> is untrue because what we should not disregard is the social and economic disparities of the poor, and not a particular race alone.shinlianghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547059348411669522noreply@blogger.com